everlong's music

[thatoneguy]

I'm kind of curious as to where the music in Everlong comes from.
Someone care to tell me? I could identify some of the MIDIs, and I really liked quite a few of them, but I don't know where they originated from, so...

[DJC]

Jun 11, 2009 4:15:05 GMT -5 @thatoneguy said:

I'm kind of curious as to where the music in Everlong comes from.
Someone care to tell me? I could identify some of the MIDIs, and I really liked quite a few of them, but I don't know where they originated from, so...

Some are originals but mostly by unknown authors since they were Japanese in origin and I couldn't read the tags. Others are from the standard RTP. Then there's a few from commercial games. For example the Water Caverns music is actually the remix of Quick Man's theme used in Mega Man X 5, and the track in Dokkalfar's Cave is from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.

I'd like to have an all original high quality score, but that isn't possible at this time. A large problem is the mp3 format, which cannot be looped. Another is getting players to download a huge music package. I've been thinking about doing something like this as an optional addon after installing the game since MIDI quality can be very poor on some systems and a major turn off for players, but the looping thing is a serious hurdle. I would have to have songs fade out and then restart, which can be disruptive in itself.

[fiery dragon sword wielder]

I've got the same deal, thatoneguy. The songs I'm looking for the origin site to are


Battle 01
Boss 04
Boss 14
Boss 11
Castle 01
Castle 04
Cave 01
Cave 02
Cave 03
Cirigoth Theme
Dungeon 06
Dungeon 09
Expirius Theme
Fear 02
Fear 06
Forest 02
Forest 05
Mountain 01
Secret
Siege 02
Siege 03
Temple 01
Tower 02
Town 05
Town 06
Town 13
Town 16
Town 22
Valiantide Theme
Vanguard 01
Victory 01
Victory 03
World Map

Also, sorry for making such a long post.

[fiery dragon sword wielder]

Also, I know this is off-topic, but the inside of Solus Insula (where the Ultimate Weapon resides) reminds me of The Nexus in WoW, with the whole thin passageways and off to the side bright lights on the outside of the paths.

[fiery dragon sword wielder]

Agh, sorry for the triple post, but my list should have included

Boss 21 (Dark Lich battle)

[DJC]

The inside of Solus Insula is actually a combination of the Chrono Trigger chipsets for the Black Omen and the Undersea Palace. Also I thought fiery dragon swords were form Guild Wars, not Wow. :P

A few tracks, such as Erave's and Justin's, came from gamingw.net a long time ago. Most of the unknown author ones came from rpg wolfpack, a website that no longer exists, but I still have the original zips of tracks backed up. Many of the originals I do know the author for were free samples by Zack Parrish who is apparently still around:
www.zackparrish.com/main.php

The Dark Lich battle theme was done by Zack for example.

I can go through your list one by one and tell you where each came from (if I remember correctly, this was years ago).


Battle 01 - rpg wolfpack
Boss 04 - rpg wolfpack
Boss 14 - this came from another rpg maker game, I cannot remember the title
Boss 11 - rpg wolfpack
Castle 01 - rpg wolfpack
Castle 04 - rpg wolfpack
Cave 01 - rpg wolfpack
Cave 02 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night rip
Cave 03 - Zack Parrish, but I changed the instruments
Cirigoth Theme - rpg wolfpack
Dungeon 06 - rpg wolfpack
Dungeon 09 - rpg wolfpack
Expirius Theme - rpg wolfpack
Fear 02 - justin @ gamingw
Fear 06 - rpg wolfpack
Forest 02 - rpg wolfpack
Forest 05 - rpg wolfpack
Mountain 01 - rpg wolfpack
Secret - rpg wolfpack
Siege 02 - Ghost @ gamingw
Siege 03 - Ghost @ gamingw
Temple 01 - Zack Parrish
Tower 02 - rpg wolfpack
Town 05 - rpg wolfpack
Town 06 - rpg wolfpack
Town 13 - rpg wolfpack
Town 16 - rpg wolfpack
Town 22 - rpg wolfpack
Valiantide Theme - rpg wolfpack
Vanguard 01- rpg wolfpack
Victory 01 - rpg wolfpack
Victory 03 - rpg wolfpack
World Map - rpg wolfpack

[fiery dragon sword wielder]

I would love very much so to use some of this music, but whenever I think about it, I can't help but get the feeling that whoever plays it (myself included) will get a "Pfft, you took this straight from Everlong" feeling.

[DJC]

Jun 11, 2009 21:17:22 GMT -5 @fiery dragon sword wielder said:

I would love very much so to use some of this music, but whenever I think about it, I can't help but get the feeling that whoever plays it (myself included) will get a "Pfft, you took this straight from Everlong" feeling.

Well, I'm sure other people have used the same tracks in other games, perhaps in even better known RPG Maker games, so it's not like Everlong has a monopoly on its music (except for the one track by Mark Datysgeld which is original).

I do know what you mean, though. I recently played a Neverwinter Nights module that used tons of music from commercial games. When I entered a forest and heard the Guardia woods theme from Chrono Trigger I was not happy. It causes a complete disconnect for the player since they already associate that music with another game. This module also used other tracks I am sure were from other commercial games, but I did not recognize them, and really liked them despite hating the use of known tracks. So it really has to do with exposure from the player's point of view. I'm not sure how remixes would enter into this, since they use the same melodies but can sound entirely fresh due to new instrumentation or style.

[sn0wflake]

Remixes can have two effects... 1) make the song feel unique enough to boost the games originality OR 2) give the player a nagging feeling of "where in the nine hells have I heard this one before" and detract from gameplay.

It's a mixed bag, really.

[thatoneguy]

If you were to make an optional MP3 package, i'd definitely download it.

Also, I'd like to know where these originated from.
Battle 02
Battle 03
Boss 05
Boss 06
Boss 07
Boss 09
Boss 13
Boss 23
Briefing 01
Dungeon 03
Dungeon 04
Dungeon 11
Dungeon 12
Forest 03 (I know its a Secret of Mana Pure Lands remix, but I'm still curious)
Siege 01
Tower 04
Town 03
Town 04
Town 09
Town 17
Town 19
Town 21
Vanguard 02
Victory 02

...
If it is easier, list every song's origin.

[thatoneguy]

gah!
forgot two...
Vehicle 01
Vehicle 03

[DJC]

Battle 02 - RPG wolfpack
Battle 03 - RPG wolfpack
Boss 05 - original by Zefax
Boss 06 - RPG wolfpack
Boss 07 - RPG wolfpack
Boss 09 - RPG wolfpack
Boss 13 - from Rogue Spear (Rainbow Six 2) intro move, James Brown composer
Boss 23 - RPG wolfpack
Briefing 01 - RPG wolfpack
Dungeon 03 - standard RPG Maker 2k(3) RTP midi
Dungeon 04 - RPG wolfpack
Dungeon 11 - Zack Parrish
Dungeon 12 - RPG wolfpack
Forest 03 - probably taken from vgmusic.com, original Secret of Mana Pure Land Forest
Siege 01 - RPG wolfpack
Tower 04 - RPG wolfpack
Town 03 - RPG wolfpack, has same theme as one of the mountain themes and the dungeon track for Progidium Nidus, so I suspect all three were by the same author and might be from some other (Japanese) game, or at least part of a set
Town 04 - RPG wolfpack
Town 09 - RPG wolfpack
Town 17 - RPG wolfpack
Town 19 - RPG wolfpack
Town 21 - RPG wolfpack
Vanguard 02 - standard RPG Maker 2k3 only RTP midi
Victory 02 - RPG wolfpack
Vehicle 01 - RPG wolfpack
Vehicle 03 - RPG wolfpack

Again, those RPG wolfpack ones just came in giant zips with no hint of authors 99% of the time. Some of the midis had tags but they were in broken eastern script and I couldn't even translate them (mostly just useless symbols written into the tags, not because I didn't have eastern languages pack to display them correctly). So there's no way to know who those authors are or credit them, but I'm assuming most were by the Japanese RPG Maker community. You can still find new midis being posted by them at the firstseed forums.